When you can find Tropius, get one. Gyarados as an HM slave on this game is disgraceful. Tropius’s weight is 100kg, and its HP is 2. answered Jun 22, 2022 by sumwun selected Jul 9, 2022 by Fizz. Use Flash to light up dark caves and use Dig to easily escape caves without using an escape rope! Hope I. Despite these setbacks, the devs blessed Tropius with a powerful evolution in Pokémon Procyon and Pokémon Deneb. Magcargo ((HM Support Ability: Flame Body EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD Careful Nature - Rock Smash - Strength - Will-O-Wisp - Stockpile HM SLAVE Pelipper Ability: Keen Eye - Fly - Surf J Smeargle (can learn everything) Dragonite (Fly Waterfall Streght etc etc) Golduck (Flash, Surf etc etc) Zigzagoon Level: 100Eww dont put HMs on your good pokemon A bunch of people, myself included, have an "HM Slave" in our parties that just sits there and uses all the HMs like Cut, Rock Smash, etc that are horrible move-wise. 19. Tropius and Skarmory can learn Fly, and Rhydon does anything that the rest might not have move slots for. "--- Teenman. Nidoking/Furret - Cut, Surf, Strength, Rock Climb/SmashRaikou the Thunder Tiger strikes again. 2. This is the place for most…For example, I have a Ludicolo, Mightyena and Tropius ready for HM Slaving. Use him ingame as a sunnybeamer and he'll do fine. Bibarel and Tropius can cover all 8 HMs together. for instance, What is the best HM slave in Heartgold? 8 Answers. Dragonite can learn all HM's except flash. For my playthrouugh of Alpha sapphire, my heart goes out to Bubblez the azumarill, for surfing, diving waterfalling and digging, and Bananasoar the Tropius, for flying, cutting, being moderately strong and rock smashing. . (comes in handy in R/B/Y for facing Articuno if you give it a different fourth move) In the Third Generation games, he's still pretty good, because he can learn: Surf. In addition, Tropius has been switched into the party in exchange for Shinx as Tropius is now the main HM Slave. In Gen 4, Tropius: Cut, Defog, Fly, Rock Smash. Tropius (Japanese: トロピウス / Tropius) is a dual-type Grass/Flying Pokémon, and one of the official Pokémon featured in Pokémon Vega. Other possible HM Pokemons are: Marill, Tropius, Psyduck, Nidoking, Pelipper, Pikachu, Dragonite, Swampert, Bibarel,. that's about it. around 150 threads have been lost dating back to 2007 and some weeks ago so we can't roll the forums back. Re: HM Whore Showdown! It's probably best not to use language like that in the thread/poll title. For Pokemon HeartGold Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Tropius". NOTE: This playthrough used to be a nuzlocke. SonicNash(Topic Creator)15 years ago#3. so any pokemon that can learn fly + 3 other HMs pairs with Bibarel, which is quite an easy pokemon to obtain. It's one of the best possible HM slaves though, taking care of all the non-water HMs. ago. By carrying around an HM slave, you don't have to allocate any of your actual team's limited moves towards often. It would be entirely pointless because Bibarel does everything except fly throughout the entire game, so it basically outclasses everything except Tropius. Tropius was made to give us a cool HM slave. 5M subscribers in the pokemon community. Definitely needs a glow-up. Notify me about new: Guides. or create a new account Register; Sign in with:Aerodactyl can learn every HM in the game except Rock Climb, and Golduck can learn every HM except Cut and Fly. r/pokemon is an unofficial Pokémon fan community. Since in AS/OR you can use the Eon flute for flying, Linoone is the only HM slave you need in your party unless you need to dive or get up a waterfall. Tropius. Gyarados as an HM slave on this game is disgraceful. garydose (watefall gives it one of the very few advantages that it can wreck with a HM) dragonite (1 of the 2 pokemon that learn every HM) arceus (a third pokemon that learns all HM's In the 4th gen ) hydrigon. CUT on Serperior. soul. Empoleon is weak to Fighting, Ground and Fighting. ago. EDIT: Aw, maybe I should have thrown Tropius a bone. Since you need two pokemon to even hold all of the HMs, go with Tropius and Bibarel. Bidoof: Cut, Rock Smash, Strength, Rock Climb (I think) Yamata_Demon14 years ago#8. HM Slave switches in and out of the team. Between Tropius and any one of quite a few water Pokemon, you can get all 8 HMs. If you want a flying 'HM slave' Tropius is great too: Fly, Strength, Rock Smash and Cut. Tropius was the GOAT HM slave back in Gen 3, but has fallen into obscurity since. The best Pokémon is one who is obtained at the start of the game, can OHKO enemies off the bat, and only loses 1 HP when damaged. I saw a similar set up for gen 4 between tropius and wailmer. Tropius is good as an HM slave. Ispamedthis-name • 4 yr. Cut, Strength, Rock Smash, Surf. Oct 14, 09 at 7:47pm (PST) ^. I used 3 of them in Gen5. "You either die a noob, or live long enough to see yourself become a hacker. For a throwaway HM slave? Wingull is a lot closer. Especially Strength, because once you push in a boulder, it stays in. png "You may use this, if you either send me an inbox, or credit me, linking to my page. This is my favourite HM Slave because it works great in conjunction with. NNID: Surgemaster140 | 3DS FC: 0044 - 3133 - 9479. 135 votes, 75 comments. Swampert Golem Alakzam LIoone Camerupt Tropius Manectric Latios Delcatty maybe there was a Vileplume too to be completely honest i don't remember my ORAS team that well the only members that were consistent was Swampert, Camerupt, and Latios the rest is just anyone else that may have passed in or out of the team for a significant amount of time before the elite 4 5. Fun fact: you can have all hm's on just 2 pokemon in gen 3. ". Bibarel (Surf, Waterfall, Rock Climb, Rock Smash) and Tropius (Fly, Defog, Strength, Cut). - It has a terrible movepool. It was the first appearance of the Pokémon series on the Nintendo DS, marking the true beginning of the next generation of games. [deleted] • 4 yr. Named him Traveler. Plus it get's the ability Pick-up. To carry 8 HM moves at once, the best HM slaves are Tropius and Swampert. This is my favourite HM Slave because it works great in conjunction with almost any water Pokemon. . Linoone can learn a lot of HM moves and also has a very useful pickup ability. Bibarel is god tier HM Slave. If there's an EXP Share like XY then it'll be easy to level him up. So far I like using Linoone. Tropius is more "mainstream" as an HM slave. . As an HM slave, Wishcash is a particularly good choice thanks to a solid typing of ground and water, as well as having a decent move set. 611 votes, 26 comments. Bibarel can learn them all except Fly and Defog, and paired with a Tropius or Skarmory, all 8 can be covered. I find it most useful to filter "Hoenn only", and then sort by the rightmost column (total number learnable). Swampert: Strength, Surf, Waterfall, Rock Climb. Ok-Leave3121 • 4 mo. Giratina (lvl. For Pokemon Platinum Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Better than Tropius?". This week's Pokémon is Tropius! #357 Tropius (Japanese トロピウス Tropius) Fruit Pokémon. FS: Bug Combee-Illumise-Pinsir. Tropius is at best an HM slave, but only in gen 3. TM/HM Move Type Category TM05 Roar: TM06 Toxic: TM10 Hidden Power: TM11 Sunny Day: TM15 Hyper Beam: TM17 Protect:Hi all Just a notice, we recently discovered that someone got into a moderator account and started hard deleting a load of key and legacy threads. 6. I like Bibarel and Tropius myself, although I'm sure there are better. 1. My most notable examples are probably and Impoleon and the HGSS red gyarados. . Dlnar • 10 yr. <". Now usually Tropius and Gyarados are enough. Aug 18, 2010. Scooby Doo can doo doo, but Jimmy Carter is smarter. An HM slave runs one or two HMs. For ORAS: Tropious - fly, cut, flash, strength/rock smash Sharpedo - Surf, Dive, Waterfall, strength/rock smash. for damages!" Lootenstein 13 years ago #7. Bibarel and Tropious are my HM slaves, and they too can learn all the HMs between them. I use a Munchlax with the pick up ability and the HM moves Strength, Surf, Rock Smash, and Rock Climb. This^ seriously, go sharpedo and tropius or go home. R. The two together can cover everything, and each of them on their own can learn quite a few. Consume product. Nice, thanks for the heads up. . If you have access to one, a Rampardos learns a bunch. jonosaurus • 9 yr. Board Topics. Usually also gets Strength, rock smash, and cut/defog. Tropius is hm slave god. This POKéMON flies by flapping the leaves on its. . Depending on how you teach them, or what's most important. #5. but they're probably not what you're looking for. Jul 26, 2007 #4 yeah he gets cut. I'm using empoleon as a hm slave in my next run xD. 4 Greninja. :x. The reason being is he can actually USE that Attack stat. This means the perfect HM partner to Sharpedo is Mew, Arceus, Zekrom, Tropius or Skarmory, assuming you want Flash. Well, since you don't need the HM slave for the elite 4, I'd say replace it with your best boxed pokemon, and grind everyone up to around level 56 - 58. "Why isn't there a briefcase with four million dollars in bearer bonds handcuffed to your drinking arm?"Like a thought parasite. It is the Fruit Pokémon that has fruit for feet. Reserve the weak hms like rock. Tropius is also one of the absolute best HM slaves, and its attack and special attack are about equal and acceptable for that point in the game. re: Best HM Slave? Bibarel and Tropius are the best two to use. Wishcash. Since the TC is actually going to use Tropius, I don't see what the HM slave sets have to do with the topic at hand. Mew is the obvious choice. GENIUS. Bibarel and Tropius. Who do you think the best HM slave is? In Ru/Sa I used Tentacool with Surf, Waterfall, Dive and Cut, then Tropius with Flash, Strength, Fly and Rock Smash. Name: Wenitzb. and fog only lowers accuracy. Tropius not only are great HM slaves (Cut, Fly, Strength and Rock Smash) but also are in two egg groups (Grass & Monster) : r/friendsafari "Ian": 5198-3339-3123. One of my most helpful pokemon for catching pokemon also used to be one of my HM slaves. Bibarel is the easiest to obtain, and it can learn Cut,. Besides, Slaking has only 4 move slots, so it can't cover everything even if it had higher special attack. Below are all the Pokémon from Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald with the HMs they can learn. But you can't get Tropius till post-game unless you have some other version. My Bibarel has Cut and Rock Smash right now, so depending in what order I get the rest of the HMs (I. Pelliper Surf Fly Defog. The game is way faster this way and with the 2 mules I never have to worry for HM. Sharpedo, as an HM Slave, could learn all the water HMs along with Strength and Rock Smash. Generation IV holds a soft spot in the hearts of a lot of people, and for a very good reason. I think Furret and Bibarel can learn these moves as well. Orangen14 years ago#3. Because it's annoying having HM slaves, I cheated a big and traded over the two for my playthrough SoulSilver. 1 Kartana. Crawdaunt learns all of them but the most popular HM slaves are Tropius and Golduck, who together get all 8 HMs between them. Urvilan • 2 yr. Both have interesting designs, in my opinion. 3DS Friend Code: 1805-3322-4950. hyahyahyahya • 4 mo. sandslash. Cut, Strength, Rock Smash, Fly. Dwell in peace in the home of your own being, and the messenger of Death will not be able to touch you. ago. If memory serves, Bibarel and Tropius learn all 8 HMs together. Generally, when they're available, Bibarel and Tropius make superb HM slaves. 2 posts, 7/12 8:50AM. Chinchou has Surf, Waterfall, Dive, Flash. (rock smash, strength, rock climb) Since light travels faster then sound, people appear bright until you hear them talk. . Cut, Fly, Strength, Rock Smash. Ah right I only use Tropius as a HM slave. Give him Fly, Rock Smash, Strength, and Cut. 3M subscribers in the pokemon community. You can do better than that. Alternatively, if you already have a Tropius with the egg move it can. I may be slightly biased, though, since Trop is part of my tentative fun run. - It has a terrible movepool. Strength. The hm slaves are one type of creature in this category; they assist their trainers in navigating the world and accomplishing tasks. #13. You can say "ass" on GameFAQs. I generally used Linoone, since Pickup still makes it useful on the team, and Pelipper. My only shiny I have is a shiny bidoof, it must be a sign from the gods. Wurmple at level 10, then at level 11, it evolved to Porygon, that's better. I saw a similar set up for gen 4 between tropius and wailmer. Teach him Flash and catch a Tentacruel for Strength and the water HMs. i recommed bibarel, ferret or linoone for cut, surf, strength, rock smash & whirlpool (HGSS) where bibarel is the most usefull HM slave because he can also learn waterfall and rock climb. Slugma/Magcargo don't provide any additional utility compared to Camerupt and Magmar, but Slugma is the easiest Flame Body /. I think corphish can also learn cut too. No one has mentioned him but I use Diggersby as my HM SLave and he does work. Tropius learns the HMs Cut, Fly, Strength, Flash, and Rock Smash. フルティウス (Fruitius) is a Grass/Dragon-type Pokémon, and is one of the original Fakemon created for Procyon and Deneb. Makoscientist 14 years ago #6. 3 Crobat. Swampert: Strength, Surf, Waterfall, Rock Climb. Tropius lvl. ive got two smeargles trained up: one as an hm slave, and the other is the one i use to catch pokes. ago. it's the internet >_> - ILikeDesu. ive never liked pure hm slaves, i like to have at least 5 usables, if only for type. Bibarel and Tropius have been my Platinum HM slaves -- I was lucky enough to catch a Tropius in the Marsh so that worked wonderfully. or create a new account Register; Sign in with:best hm slave(s) in this game; Dwhite_1 8 years ago #1. You'll never have to use stuff like Strength, Cut, Waterfall, or Dive after fully exploring the right areas. Do you guys usually keep your HM slaves with you and only fight with 4 good pokemon and then use the other 2 just for HMs? Mario Maker 2: SteveKoopa: ID 6K7-PR2-TWG Smash Ultimate Mains: Samus, Lucas, Jokerwhat's a good HM slave for this game? I prefer one the know cut, strength, fly, and Rock Smash/ Flash. I used an Excadrill of Cut and Strength, and a Swanna for Fly, Surf, and Dive. . But none of these are flying types obviously. Overall, Tropius is a better Flying HM slave, with access to 5 HMs, Flash, and Sweet Scent; however, Drifblim is the best Flying HM slave you can get early on in-game in Sinnoh. Children of the southern tropics eat as snacks the fruit that grows in bunches around the neck of Tropius. It's the goat HM slave though, no one else can learn the unique combo of four that it gets. Other than that I think the rest are interchangeable. A great replacement for Linoone and stand-in until your preferred flying Pokemon that are harder to get, like Flygon and Salamence. You will need to breed a female Tropius with a compatible male Pokémon, with the male (for Gen 2-5) knowing the egg move in question. Thank you Bibarel, you’re a true friend. Other Answers. Just the quality of life features it offers would be enough, but Radical Red amps it up a notch by increasing the difficulty severely, being updated to Gen 8 in terms of movepool. Location. He could work, just watch out for ice attacks. Absolute truth. Haha I think I just remembered from the Gyarados + Tropius HM slave pairing in Gen 3. Stev019 8 years ago #6. Tropius and Golduck. around 150 threads have been lost dating back to 2007 and some. Welcome to the Masquerade. More so than Altaria does. Bibarel is the easiest to obtain, and it can learn Cut, Surf, Strength, Rock Smash, Waterfall, and Rock Climb. I wouldn't take chances,for finding big mushrooms/tinymushrooms for remembering. ive never liked pure hm slaves, i like to have at least 5 usables, if only for type. In the arena of logic, I fight un-armed. Something about Water Tera, Leech Seed/Protect,. Anything decent works in game. This is why we need HMs back. Rather than checking their Pokedex pages, instead I can go on the HM Slave page and enter "Ludicolo" and "Tropius", and it'll show up as Tropius being able to learn Cut and Fly, while Ludicolo can learn Surf, Strength, Waterfall and Dive, and the last HM - Rock Smash. Cheats. Because you must have 8 badges to get a Salamence, Tropius is your winner. Sign in with the following networks. Dragonite, Mew, Tropius, Salamence, Giratina, Arceus, Smeargle Surf / Whirlpool / Waterfall / Rock Climb : Blastoise, Golduck, Poliwrath, Omastar, Kabutops, Mew, Feraligatr, Suicune, Swampert. 3. - The amount of grinding you. Chlorophyll plus solar beam, is a pure hax. Apparently, its love for fruit resulted in its own outgrowth of fruit. Simple as that, just post about your best or most common HM slaves you used or are currently using. (n. Bibarrel. For Pokemon HeartGold Version on the DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "HM slave". If you're still waiting for the e-mail, be sure to check your junk/spam e-mail foldersIf you're still waiting for the e-mail, be sure to check your junk/spam e-mail foldersI got lucky enough to get a Tropius through GTS Negotiations for a female Eevee I caught in Castelia City. Tropius is found in the Safari Zone. Haha I think I just remembered from the Gyarados + Tropius HM slave pairing in Gen 3. around 150 threads have been lost dating back to 2007 and some weeks ago so we can't roll the forums back. A lot of water types will do, but not necessarily all. . . Bibarel can learn all HM's except Fly and Defog. Relicanth: Honestly I agree with this one, it has utility as an HM slave and has a couple decent physical attacking options but it's definitely not good and comes late. >_> And don't say "lol 4x Ice weakness". . Dk bout other gens but Gen I you can do Slowpoke/bro and Farfetch’d. The bunches of fruit around Tropius’s neck are very popular with children. #6. In PokeMMO literature, utility Pokemons focused on HMs called HM slave. For Pokemon Sun on the 3DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "what do you use as your HM slave?" - Page 2. Bibarrel. There have been changes to the pronoun field in user profiles. However, if your Faraway Island Mew turned out to be a total piece of crap, feel free to make it an HM Slave. i give like one hm to almost all pokemon but some may have two like water pokemon have surf and waterfall. Strangely enough, there’s one other Pokemon in the series that learns Cut without needing an HM, largely because this Pokemon debuted after the developers removed HMs from the series. 4. The player lost the nuzlocke and is now continuing. All I can think of is bibarel for gen. Callista08 7 years ago #2. FC: 2595-1420-5740. From Lilycove, Tropius requires backtracking through R120 > Fortree City > R119. if you have access to sinnoh and trading, definately these 2. Give it Fly, Defog, Cut and Strength, then have a water-type that can learn Rock Smash, Surf, Waterfall and Rock Climb. BIBARELL IS HM GOD!!! but it can't learn flash, as OP specified. MY TEAM: Breloom, Sceptile, Ludicolo, Cacturne, Roserade, Cradily, Ferrothorn, Shiftry, and Tropius (HM Slave). Reaction score. Tropius has Strength, Cut, Fly, Rock Smash. 3DS FC: 4897-6094-2924 IGN: Nick. Cut, Surf, and Strength. "Welcome to Bururaji! This is Ragna the Bloodedge, Sugita Tomokazu! HARDCORE! HARDCORE!" - Sugita Tomokazu, BlazBlue Radio. 310 votes, 40 comments. The egg cycles of these pokemon are 25 (6,169–6,425 steps). Drifblim - Col. As far as I know, Slaking doesn't benefit from any attacks other than return, shadow ball, earthquake, and maybe hyper beam. Linoone is the best HM slave of all time (better than Bibarel) because it learns all of the stuff you'd want plus it has Pick Up. Stantler Thief earthquake strenght. 1 Kartana. Feels like a decent compromise. After that you can just dump the rest of the HMs on Tropius or Linoone, and it's easy enough to breed/train a new Gyarados for the post-game if that tickles your fancy (or just use the move deleter). ROCK CLIMB on Conkeldurr. What is a good HM slave? In my opinion, Bibarel is the best HM slave in every game. For Pokemon X on the 3DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Tropius: Potential Lost. 19. The latter being an option if you did not pick mudkip. 8 is possible, but some players use Fly and Surf for competitive moves. My main HM slave is my Diamond starter, Empoleon. For a cave HM slave, use Raichu. <_<Tropius + Sharpedo. Tai (Platinum) - 4683 4348 4300. Thanks, I actually didn't even realize!!! If I can ask another question, what are your thoughts on this lineup: Swampert, Gardevoir, Aggron, Salamence, Breloom (not sure about this one), and Tropius as an HM slave? I'm not really sure about Breloom tbh, and I'm also considering adding Flygon just for fun. I use two as of 4th gen, Bibarel and Tropius. Smeargle, Tropius, Mew. WhiteBladeMarth 12 years ago #2. You can then pick anything in the top 15 or so on the chart (and others below, depending on which 3rd/4th moves you give. Second, you want the HM Slaves that complement your party. As long as there aren't any new HMs, I'll be happy. 1. Toast. Since in AS/OR you can use the Eon flute for flying, Linoone is the only HM slave you need in your party unless you need to dive or get up a waterfall. I suggest slakoth and tropius. Thanks a lot. I find it most useful to filter "Hoenn only", and then sort by the rightmost column (total number learnable). In Gen 4, Tropius: Cut, Defog, Fly, Rock Smash. 3DS FC: 2079-6337-2596. For the other HMs get a Wailmer. Tropius has zero competitively useful sets in singles or doubles in pretty much any conceivable format. 4X Ice weak = very very bad. Insert any pokemon that can learn Fly and Defog (DPP) at the lowest level possible. even a tropius and absol? Tropius flies and solarbeams, Absol has monster attack and Swords Dance. He is such a cool design he just sucks in the games and ended up being really forgettable. A samurott can learn all the HMs except fly. The name Tropius should be Borelius or Borealius for the variant. Attacks. ago. - Rayquaza_man7. Yeah, it's not very useful in battle with those moves, but as long as you have Pickup it's a constant source of items that you can, at the very least, sell. Ray Rizzo and James Baek did videos about a hard to break Tropius this Gen. rampardose. Rudoku. Otherwise, nope. The latter being an option if you did not pick mudkip. You never know if there are cheating devices lurking in. Rapiido Flying Paradise Bird. Though eventually your HM slaves will be Sharpedo and Tropius Reply DisasterAhead • Additional comment actions. Truth is exclusive by nature, for if it accepts non-truth, it nulls itself and the very concept of truth. AindZs91 13 years ago #2. Tropius needs fly and defog while Bibarel needs waterfall and surf. Ditching HMs was such a great idea for the devs, and for the pokemon franchise in general. 5M subscribers in the pokemon community. Both have interesting designs, in my opinion. Wow, an intelligent question on my pokemon boards? Damn, I might just have to help you. Sneavile 8 years ago #12. ago. Pokemon Radical Red is a rom hack of, well, FireRed, that is currently making the waves in the romhack community for being, well, one of the fucking best rom hacks out there. " Element-17 Tropius + Tentacool also have all 8 HMs and Golduck much rarer than Tentacool. Tropius is good as an HM slave. DIVE WATERFALL STRENGTH ROCK SMASH on Gyarados. Anyways, there are only 6 HM moves this game. Anything suggestions with all 8 are welcome. The main difference is that Crawdaunt learns Cut, while Ludicolo learns Flash. I used Smeargle as my HM slave. For a throwaway HM slave? Wingull is a lot closer. I might have to give Meganium the edge, though. Fly is also usable in game, now that it is 90 base power, but don't use it competitively. Gen I, either of the Nidorans or Sandshrew are awesome for HM slaves. i dont have hm slave. roflcopter9001 • 9 yr. Tauros is an excellent candidate for TM Slave 1; he learns, Surf, Strength, Whirlpool, Rock Smash, and Rock Climb. Then used skarmory for cut, rock smash, and fly. Bibarel is the best HM slave the game has ever seen, and you can get Bidoof the second you start the playthrough. HM slave Reply gwaenchanh-a. The Pokemon Database has this awesome chart that can be used to find "HM slaves". I use a dragonite for HM and defeating hordes, and a bulbasaur for the rest of. If anything, remember that those two aforementioned HM slaves are all you really need. Bibarell is the ultimate HM slave. tropius is also a good hm slave. BW1 & BW2: Wailmer for water, Tropius for everything else X: The gift Lapras you get for water, my Fletchlinder for Flying (and breeding since it also had Flamebody), and Bibreal for the rest. or create a new account Register; Sign in with:I'm curious as to everyone's HM slave/transport Pokemon and which moves they have. The Pokémon can be filtered by ticking the checkboxes. ninjawalruses • 10 yr. ago. Rack smash, as well. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. This includes the option of spreading your HMs among your party and not using a dedicated HM Slave. even if your grades are bad, it doesn't mean you're failing. Gyarados, zigzagoon/linoone, bidoof/bibarrel, tropius, and even samurott.